Why investors choose private credit (Roundtable Private Credit - part 2)
This report was originally written in Dutch. This is an English translation.
In part 2 of this roundtable discussion, experts discuss why institutional investors find private credit attractive and which risks they consider most significant. They also discuss the quality of ratings, market transparency, the actual risk of default and the role of lenders in the growth trajectory of companies.
By Hans Amesz
This is part 2 of the report. You can read part 1 here, part 3 will be published on Thursday 11 December.
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MODERATOR: Harry Geels, Auréus
PARTICIPANTS: Sam Foster, PIMCO Boris Harmsen, Pemberton Asset Management Jos Kalb, Cardano/Mercer Cyrus Korat, DRC Savills Investment Management Louay Mikdashi, Neuberger Berman Shelley Morrison, Aberdeen Investments Cyril Roblin, AXA IM Alts Jorg Sallaerts, Arcmont Asset Management Robert Scheer, M&G Investments Rajesh Sukdeo, Achmea Mortgages |
What do institutional investors cite as the main reasons for investing in private credit and what do they see as the main general risks?
Korat: 'Investors believe that this market has something to offer that they cannot get on the public markets, namely extra returns and access to underlying assets that are not directly available. They try to get more return from illiquidity than from taking absolute risk.'
Kalb: 'Pension funds and insurers are indeed allocating to private credit markets because it yields higher returns. Private credit is still relatively new, and they are also looking for ways to identify where to focus within private credit. Another important factor is that private credit offers opportunities to make an impact.'
Morrison: 'Investors are attracted to the potential for superior risk-adjusted returns that the asset class offers. It’s about diversifying credit risk, investing in a form of credit that doesn’t correlate with anything else. It’s about insulating their more liquid portfolios from market volatility.'
Korat: 'I think investors’ biggest concern is probably valuation and transparency. Investors want to feel that they can monitor the risk they have taken and detect when the quality of the investment is deteriorating. That is still quite difficult to do.'
Investors want to feel that they can monitor risks and detect when the quality of an investment is deteriorating.
Foster: 'The question that I think will come up more and more is whether investors are being adequately compensated for the liquidity risk they are taking. As a large active manager of fixed income and private credit, we always think about relative value and strive to offer investors appropriate compensation for the risks they take.'
Morrison: 'One thing that investors are increasingly concerned about is complacency in terms of underwriting and credit standards and discipline. As more liquidity has shifted into the private credit asset class and institutional capital has entered this bank-led market, we are seeing a general easing of credit terms across the asset class, with much less rigorous legal due diligence than before.'
Private credit ratings are mainly provided by smaller rating agencies. How good is the quality of their ratings?
Roblin: 'There is no public information, but we can gather detailed information, usually in niche markets. For example, we can access due diligence material, we can hold discussions with management, we can hold Q&A sessions. On the one hand, we need much more tailor-made credit analyses and, on the other hand, there is also the aspect of structuring transactions, which means that we need robust managers who are able to structure the transactions correctly. Our internal rating methodology is the result of all the credit analyses we have made and is used more as a benchmark.'
Sukdeo: 'In the more established asset classes, such as mortgages, there is a long history of data. Models have been tested during various recessions. That is somewhat reassuring, but of course you don't know how these models will perform if you end up in a serious recession.'
When business managers see the positive effect of an ESG strategy, for example a reduction in staff turnover, ESG becomes a business necessity.
Harmsen: 'We work with an external rating methodology that is specifically tailored to the European mid-market, a segment whose defaults we have been monitoring for decades. We manage capital for many European insurers and offer them complete transparency, which is made possible by this rating methodology.'
Foster: 'The quality of ratings varies, but in our opinion, no rating can replace a robust bottom-up credit assessment. With more than five decades of experience in public markets, we recognise that ratings from rating agencies are often outdated and that independent research can lead to a more nuanced picture. Investors structure transactions to meet rating requirements rather than purely on economic merits, which can distort pricing and make some investments less attractive. Rather than competing for overvalued assets, we seek to take advantage of these dynamics by purchasing private, unrated assets that offer higher returns due to the lack of a rating. We then structure them into rated instruments that can be sold to investors who require ratings. This allows us to capture the rating premium while retaining control over underwriting and structuring.'
The quality of ratings varies, but in our view, no rating can be a substitute for a robust bottom-up credit assessment.
Kalb: 'For our clients, we like to perform a scenario analysis to look at the overall portfolio context. This helps them to think about the risks they are actually exposed to. It also gives them insight into which assets are performing best or worst and to which asset classes they should allocate more or less.'
Is the default rate in private debt underestimated by non-accrual loans and payment-in-kind (PIK) loans? What is the actual default rate and how can we prevent losses?
Scheer: 'The market is very opaque. I think the default rate is slightly higher than is generally thought. It is right to be concerned about this. Unlike in the past, when documentation was stricter in certain areas of the market, it now seems as if the risk of default can be shifted considerably into the future. The moment when you, as a lender, can intervene may be a long way off.'
The market is very opaque. I think the percentage of defaults is no higher than is generally thought. It really is something to be concerned about.
Harmsen: 'Investors are best advised to choose managers who can clearly show how many defaults there have been and how leverage has developed. At our company, every interest rate increase or deterioration in leverage leads to a downgrade in the internal rating. The asset class has been severely tested in recent years by rising interest rates, inflation and political instability. How managers have dealt with these challenges clearly shows who really masters the profession.'
Many investors take relative valuation into account. How does that work in practice?
Mikdashi: 'The rule of thumb is simple: if you can get the same price or the same thing on the public markets, there is no reason to choose private markets. Price discipline is essential, but often difficult to achieve. Long commitment periods in private markets can put pressure on managers to become ‘forced buyers’ within their sector, limiting their ability to assess relative value. A more flexible, results-oriented investment strategy – one that looks beyond rigid sector labels – could help address this limitation. We call this the flexibility premium.'
How can (private) credit providers support companies in their growth trajectory?
Roblin: 'Firstly, we can offer bullet financing, which is suitable for companies that want to develop by using their cash flows to invest rather than to repay debt. But we also have the opportunity to share knowledge, best practices and an extensive network with the companies we support and work with. This network usually forms the basis for business opportunities.'
Harmsen: 'I think it is useful for a company to have a single lender, a party that acts as a true partner, understands your business model and can support you along the way. This speeds up decision-making in more difficult situations, thereby preserving more value.'
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Harry Geels Harry Geels works at Auréus as a Senior Investment Advisor. He is jointly responsible for researching and selecting investment funds. He is also Deputy Editor-in-Chief of Financial Investigator. In addition, he is a part-time lecturer at the Actuarial Institute. Geels obtained his Master's degree in Financial Economics from VU Amsterdam in 1994. He writes his columns for Financial Investigator in a personal capacity. |
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Sam Foster Sam Foster is Vice President and Product Strategist at PIMCO in London, focusing on PIMCO’s alternatives strategies. He has been with the organisation since 2018. He has seven years of experience and holds a BSc in Economics from the University of Bath. He is a CFA charterholder. |
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Boris Harmsen Boris Harmsen is Managing Director, Head of Origination, Europe at Pemberton Asset Management. Prior to joining Pemberton in 2019, he worked at Deutsche Bank, where he was responsible for leveraged finance and sponsor coverage in the Benelux. He has over 15 years of experience in leveraged loans, credit and private equity, and has held senior positions at Egeria, Deutsche Bank and ABN AMRO. Harmsen holds an MSc in Law from the University of Groningen. |
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Jos Kalb Jos Kalb is Senior Portfolio Manager Impact Investing at Cardano/Mercer. He is involved in research and due diligence relating to impact managers who focus on a wide range of private market strategies. Kalb holds an MSc in Technical Informatics from Eindhoven University of Technology and an MSc in Econometrics from Tilburg University. He is a CFA and CAIA charterholder. |
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Cyrus Korat Cyrus Korat has over 29 years of experience in real estate and debt capital markets. Prior to joining DRC Capital (now DRC Savills Investment Management), he was Managing Director at Merrill Lynch & Co., where he worked as a senior risk taker in various disciplines, including ABS/mortgage trading, credit exotic trading and illiquids. He holds a BSc in Banking & Finance from Loughborough University. |
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Louay Mikdashi Louay Mikdashi joined Neuberger in 2022 as Head of Multi-Sector Private Credit. He leads portfolio management, business and strategic activities for multi-sector private credit opportunities. Prior to this, he held positions as Head of Opportunistic Alternatives at BlackRock EMEA and Global CIO of Alternatives at Santander Asset Management. Mikdashi is an alumnus of Harvard Business School, Boston College, Babson College and HEC. |
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Shelley Morrison Shelley Morrison is Head of Fund Finance at Aberdeen and responsible for investing institutional capital in debt facilities at fund level. She joined Aberdeen in 2019 from RBS, where she held the position of Director of Funds Banking. Morrison is a member of the executive committee of the Fund Finance Association EMEA and is part of Women in Fund Finance. |
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Cyril Roblin Cyril Roblin is Director in the Capza Artemid Private Debt team at AXA IM Alts, which focuses on the (sustainable) financing of small and medium-sized enterprises in Europe. He previously worked at Société Générale, Ardian Private Debt and Aforge Degroof Finance, among others. |
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Jorg Sallaerts Jorg Sallaerts is Head of Benelux at Arcmont Asset Management. Prior to this, he worked at Ares Management to expand the Benelux franchise. Before that, he held various positions at ING, mainly in leveraged finance in Amsterdam and London. Sallaerts holds an MSc in Finance from VU Amsterdam and a BSc in Business Administration from Radboud University in Nijmegen. |
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Robert Scheer Robert Scheer joined M&G Investments in 2022 as Co-Head of Private Credit Origination. He focuses on initiating and executing direct credit investments in the mid-market segment in continental Europe, with a particular focus on the DACH region. Scheer holds a BSc in Business Administration from the Frankfurt School of Finance & Management, an MSc in Finance from INSEAD in Singapore and is an alumnus of IMD in Lausanne. |
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Rajesh Sukdeo Rajesh Sukdeo has been Portfolio Manager Mortgages at Achmea Mortgages since 2006, responsible for strategy, portfolio management and customer relations within the commercial and residential mortgage funds. Previously, he worked at OHV Capital Markets in fixed income sales and at SNS Securities on the fixed income desk. He holds MSc degrees in Finance, Monetary Economics and Real Estate Finance from Erasmus University and the University of Amsterdam. |










